Night 2 Discussion

Welcome back. Day one was fun, right?
The police really showed their skills at finding you!
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Maybe they really are as shitty as you say...

-kill clementine
I wanted to kill Gingerape but the replacement will have to do I suppose...
deathnote: Damn I wanted to kill gingerape.

With 3 detectives who will probably all choose a new target tonight the chance of finding you is very high. I think I might skip again. I don't see any of us getting shot after another troll day.

Maybe we could send Shaded to kill instead of Brendan because if Shaded is lynched he will at least appear as someone else.

Speaking of which, I was wondering some stuff about my role.

Now that I have visited someone, does that mean I'll appear as him at any point that I die? Or do I need to "redisguise" myself each night?

The mafioso must perform the night kill as long as he is alive.
If the actress does not select a new target to disguise as, his action is seen as visiting the last target he picked again.

Do you think clementine will be healed after being attacked 3 nights in a row in the last M-FM?

I still don't think you should leave a death note as there's not much point in it and people might check who they think might have left a note like that. It's a shame only the mafioso can kill because it makes it inevitable you will be found out.

-skip action

Ubernox is so scummy I'm tempted to try lynch him tomorrow and see what happens. I think we should be looking for PRs instead of killing good players. We need to kill some detectives to reduce the chance of the them checking Brenden and I have a feeling one of them will check him tonight. Shaded might want to start picking targets he would normally heal so we can draw out and appear as the doc if he is forced to claim.

-vote kill Bakieh, don't leave a death note

I might not be back on before night ends.

Time manipulator visit clem too. No sense in you not using your role. We'll get two kills n3 and with coroner dead we can feign a neutral kill/fail vig kill..

Brendan wrote:Time manipulator visit clem too. No sense in you not using your role. We'll get two kills n3 and with coroner dead we can feign a serial killer.

I wouldn't put it past clem, borkbot, cmg or ubernox to work out where that kill went and ask for a heal if we do that + it makes clem look town so the doctor might as well heal him. It's a cool idea but I can see it easily going wrong.

I'd rather not use my role because it would have the same effect as if a detective followed me to a kill and I would be lynched. If I don't use my action all town have on me is what I say during the day. I don't know why Gore gave me time manipulator. He should have known I wouldn't use it

We need to stop town's only investigative roles as soon as possible. If they're gone and we aren't using much actions in the mean time all town will have on us is day chat and it's hard to start lynches based only on that. If we can get the doc we're free to kill whoever we want so that should also be a priority but until then I wouldn't shoot clem or bork even if I'm sure Bork is a PR. Detectives will find you eventually by process of elimination so we don't want to be missing kills in the night or two before you are checked.

Just use your role, I gurantee day 2 will be just as troll as day 1. There won't be a kill either unless vigilantes shoot people. I have a feeling I might get shot tonight. There's no point in not using your role. There would be no kill and therefore no reason for a detective to accuse you of anything.

You've given me an idea for something crazy. What if we intentionally skip our kill today. I then claim time manipulated the next day and eventually it will be suggested that the mafia sent a bullet towards me. I will ask for a heal and Brenden actually shoots me the next night and hopefully the doc saves me. This could be game winning if we pull it off lol.

Just to make sure you are aware, the time manipulator does NOT notify the target that they are manipulated.

If a detective follows me and my target claims time manipulated I'll get lynched. It's even worse than if I killed someone because I don't have a vigi claim to fall back on.

Can we shoot our own members? (It was done before in FM VII)

Admin wrote:Just to make sure you are aware, the time manipulator does NOT notify the target that they are manipulated.

They told us before targets are not notified of being manipulated. Read admin posts/faq/role card/mechanics/order of operations/day posts. Lol just do as I ask please.

When we find a detective for sure we need to make shaded visit him and then kill him at night/get him lynched.

Worst case scenario I claim vigilante and you claim doctor. Shaded can visit me so we can work to get him lynched and gain trust. My vigilante claim would hold up well too.

It's all about will I be checked tonight and do I want myself locked into a very difficult detective claim (need to know clem's night 2 target + a night 1 check). I don't think any of us were checked on night 1 but I'm sure some of us will be checked tonight. If I do claim detective then I'm going to have to say clem took no action and hope I'm right.

I don't think the benefit of doing it outweighs the risk tbh. We need to think of what we gain from doing things like the manipulation + death note and whether it's worth the risk. If we're both checked visiting clem then that's half our team gone. The only way for there not to be a kill tomorrow is if there's a successful heal or we hit a survivor that is unlikely to exist and both can say they weren't shot. There's no sk so you'll have to explain the double kill the next night by using a vigi death note (all vigis should leave coded death notes) which could help if you were checked on night 3 but not any other nights but the chance of that is small + even then people could still work it out and say it's obviously a time manipulation trick and get you lynched.

tl:dr almost no gain, high risk

I thought the Admin said they were notified yesterday but I must have read it wrong. We shouldn't be trying to get Shaded killed. The actress is a nice bonus if he is killed but people can still work out stuff like that.

Brendan wrote:Worst case scenario I claim vigilante and you claim doctor. Shaded can visit me so we can work to get him lynched and gain trust. My vigilante claim would hold up well too.

I get counterclaimed, we both get lynched.

Kromos wrote:

Brendan wrote:Worst case scenario I claim vigilante and you claim doctor. Shaded can visit me so we can work to get him lynched and gain trust. My vigilante claim would hold up well too.

I get counterclaimed, we both get lynched.

Town wouldn't risk it plus you'd have 4 votes on your claim. We'd know who the real doctor is so he'd die+town can only lynch one person each day...

You're being silly. There are a million ways to explain why there was no kill and I think someone will die because of the vigilantes and truth seekers.

Brendan wrote:

Kromos wrote:

Brendan wrote:Worst case scenario I claim vigilante and you claim doctor. Shaded can visit me so we can work to get him lynched and gain trust. My vigilante claim would hold up well too.

I get counterclaimed, we both get lynched.

Town wouldn't risk it plus you'd have 4 votes on your claim. We'd know who the real doctor is so he'd die+town can only lynch one person each day...

They've got vigis.

What will we gain from me time manipulating clementine?

If you leave the death note you have atm you won't be able to claim vigi if you're checked btw.

Brendan wrote:You're being silly. There are a million ways to explain why there was no kill and I think someone will die because of the vigilantes and truth seekers.

No, we don't have escorts or any immune roles other than the survivor. The only likely cause of no kills is a doctor heal and he will know we've used the time manipulator to create a double kill on night 3. So once he knows how there is a double kill what is the point of it when it also makes me susceptible to being checked and lynched as well?

I'm adamant that I should skip my action so please don't change my action, Crimson. Hopefully tomorrow will be as uneventful as yesterday.